To: Scottish Government
We believe that introducing a law to imprison people for up to five years because of offensive sectarian chanting or online comments is extreme and illiberal.
Sign the petition at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/1967a/petition.html
Friday, 30 September 2011
'Sectarianism Bill' debated in the Scottish Parliament
See the 'Sectarianism Bill', debated on 6 September 2011 in the Scottish Parliament, on the BBC 'Democracy Live' website with, Stuart Waiton, Pat Nevin, Graham Spiers and Graham Walker.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/scotland/newsid_9582000/9582406.stm
Tuesday, 27 September 2011
Celtic And Rangers must unite to beat the ‘Sectarianism Bill’
Statement from Take a Liberty (Scotland) to Celtic and Rangers Supporters Trusts, Organisations, Fanzines, Bloggers and Supporters.
To register your support for the statement email s.waiton@btopenworld.com
The protest by the Green Brigade opposing the Offensive Behaviour at Football Bill at Celtic Park is to be supported. The opposition to the Bill, to police surveillance and to the over regulation and criminalisation of Celtic fans was brilliantly organised and had a significant impact at the Inverness game.
In the Green Brigade statement the point is made that the proposed legislation denies football fans the right to freedom of expression, something that is already a problem for many fans.
The Green Brigade rightly called on all Celtic fans to take a stand against the disproportionate policing of supporters at games. They are right to call for this, Celtic fans are already being arrested and charged for little more than singing songs and if the Offensive Behaviour Bill goes through the likelihood is that policing will become more intense.
Many Celtic fans, and especially the Green Brigade believe that their songs are political, not sectarian, and should not be targeted by the police, but that is not the point.
The point is that NO FAN SHOULD BE IMPRISONED FOR SINGING regardless of what the song is about.
Rangers and Celtic fans may dislike what each other represent and sing, they may even hate each others’ traditions but do they, and do the supporters associations think their ‘enemy’ supporters should be locked up for singing songs they find offensive?
If they do they should come out and say so.
If not they should recognise that they have a lot more in common than they might like to think – they both have an interest in supporting freedom of expression at football.
We should all demand tolerance.
Tolerance does not mean we are ‘non-judgemental’. It is all about judging. We should say what we think about one another, about what their fans and what our own fans are saying. That is what a free, tolerant society is all about. Genuine tolerance means we judge, say what we think, but also accept that others who we disagree with must also have that freedom without the threat of arrest.
I MAY HATE WHAT YOU SAY
BUT I WILL DEFEND TO THE DEATH
YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT
If Rangers and Celtic supporters, bloggers and associations came out in support, not of their own right to sing what they like, but their opponents’ right to do so, the case against the Bill would be strengthened immeasurably.
There are two options open to Celtic and Rangers fans and associations, either tolerate one another (while hating each other if you so wish) and defeat this Bill and start to change the way football fans are being targeted and criminalised. Or remain in your shell, defend yourself and give two fingers to your ‘enemy’ and watch as the Bill is passed and football fans across Scotland are regulated and imprisoned even more than they already are.
Stuart Waiton
To register your support for the statement email s.waiton@btopenworld.com
The protest by the Green Brigade opposing the Offensive Behaviour at Football Bill at Celtic Park is to be supported. The opposition to the Bill, to police surveillance and to the over regulation and criminalisation of Celtic fans was brilliantly organised and had a significant impact at the Inverness game.
In the Green Brigade statement the point is made that the proposed legislation denies football fans the right to freedom of expression, something that is already a problem for many fans.
The Green Brigade rightly called on all Celtic fans to take a stand against the disproportionate policing of supporters at games. They are right to call for this, Celtic fans are already being arrested and charged for little more than singing songs and if the Offensive Behaviour Bill goes through the likelihood is that policing will become more intense.
Many Celtic fans, and especially the Green Brigade believe that their songs are political, not sectarian, and should not be targeted by the police, but that is not the point.
The point is that NO FAN SHOULD BE IMPRISONED FOR SINGING regardless of what the song is about.
Rangers and Celtic fans may dislike what each other represent and sing, they may even hate each others’ traditions but do they, and do the supporters associations think their ‘enemy’ supporters should be locked up for singing songs they find offensive?
If they do they should come out and say so.
If not they should recognise that they have a lot more in common than they might like to think – they both have an interest in supporting freedom of expression at football.
We should all demand tolerance.
Tolerance does not mean we are ‘non-judgemental’. It is all about judging. We should say what we think about one another, about what their fans and what our own fans are saying. That is what a free, tolerant society is all about. Genuine tolerance means we judge, say what we think, but also accept that others who we disagree with must also have that freedom without the threat of arrest.
I MAY HATE WHAT YOU SAY
BUT I WILL DEFEND TO THE DEATH
YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT
If Rangers and Celtic supporters, bloggers and associations came out in support, not of their own right to sing what they like, but their opponents’ right to do so, the case against the Bill would be strengthened immeasurably.
There are two options open to Celtic and Rangers fans and associations, either tolerate one another (while hating each other if you so wish) and defeat this Bill and start to change the way football fans are being targeted and criminalised. Or remain in your shell, defend yourself and give two fingers to your ‘enemy’ and watch as the Bill is passed and football fans across Scotland are regulated and imprisoned even more than they already are.
Stuart Waiton
Wednesday, 14 September 2011
Sign the petition against the 'Anti-sectarian Bill'
The Offensive Behaviour in Football Bill is a ‘Snobs’
law’
Abertay
University academic and founder of Take a
Liberty (
Scotland ) Stuart
Waiton is giving evidence today (6th
September) at the Scottish Parliament
Justice Committee addressing the Offensive
Behaviour in Football Bill.
Alongside Dr Waiton will be Pat Nevin, Graham Spiers and Professor
Graham Walker.
Waiton will be arguing that this bill has been
driven by a form of political
grandstanding that is more about publicity than
politics. What he labels a
‘snobs law’, Dr Waiton believes will undermine the
moral legitimacy of the
law and help to create a new division amongst
football fans who will spend
their time telling tales on one another for
‘offensive’ singing at matches
or blogging online.
The statement that Stuart Waiton hopes to present
to the committee meeting
is printed below:-
The first thing to notice about this bill is that
it specifically targets
football fans and nobody else. It appears that
this creature ‘the football
fan’ can be treated as somehow different from
everybody else, or as George
Orwell might have said, ‘Four rugby fans good. Two
football fans bad’.
In this respect the bill follows on in the fine
old ‘crusty’ conservative
tradition of fear and loathing of the ‘great
unwashed’ who attend matches,
and continues in the vein of criminalising these
fans, using up incredible
amounts of police time watching and listening out
for ‘rowdies’ shouting and
singing linguistically incorrect songs.
Interconnected to this old form of snobbish
conservatism, here we find a new
form of hyper intolerant conservativism being
expressed through the
‘tolerant’ political, media and cultural elites.
Illustrating the
fantastical world of this new ‘tolerant’ elite,
Roseanna Cunningham,
Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs
argues that sectarianism is
undermining the very fabric of a tolerant
Scotland – a tolerant
Scotland
that she believes can be enforced by imprisoning
football fans for singing
offensive songs for up to five years!
At one level of course football and football fans
behaviour should be
understood as different. Where else do you find
grown men and women
shouting, swearing, pointing, singing, wearing
ridiculously coloured
clothes, hats and scarves, jumping up and down
hugging the nearest stranger
with tear filled eyes as part of an impassioned
tribal display of hate, love
and impreganable loyalty.
This is football, it is unlike any other public
arena, and up until
relatively recently we have been worldly enough
and indeed genuinely
TOLERANT enough to realise this fact. Indeed for
many, there is no need to
‘tolerate’ football fan’s behaviour, because the
passion, gallows humour,
and even the offensiveness on display in football
grounds is what helps make
it the greatest game in the world.
While this bill is focused on ‘sectarian’
behaviour at football it does in
fact target any form of offensive behaviour that
can be said to potentially
lead to public order offences. Depending upon your
interpretation this could
result in almost any rowdy fan being arrested and
imprisoned for behaviour
that has been going on at matches for
generations.
Some people clearly will be offended by certain
songs and behaviour at
football matches that have previously been outside
the remit of the law. But
there is a problem. Part and parcel of fans
behaviour towards one another
and to the opposing team IS TO BE OFFENSIVE.
Offence is part of football fan
behaviour - you may not like it, but that does not
mean it is or should be
criminalised. I am offended every time I sit down
at a ‘ West End ’ dinner
party and listen to the prejudices about the white
working classes who it is
assumed are on the verge of a racist or sectarian
pogrom but I don’t expect
these hate filled intolerant individuals to have
laws used to silence them.
It is worth bearing in mind that within the
pantomime of football what
appears to be sectarian is not necessarily all it
appears, as fans go home
to their Catholic wives, Protestant drinking mates
and nondenominational
neighbours. The reality is that
Scotland , especially for the younger
generations, is a largely modern secular country
where religious ideology
and dogma has little or no dynamic. This is in
fact why it is almost always
football that is targeted as the place of
sectarianism, because it doesn’t
exist anywhere else. And if it doesn’t exist
anywhere else, the reality is
that it doesn’t exist in football
either.
In other words, what we are witnessing at Celtic
and Rangers games is an
ersatz form of 90 minute sectarianism. It is a
tribalism based on football
not religion, despite the religious association of
both teams.
The political grandstanding by Alex Salmond is not
the act of a conviction
politician, but the opposite, the act of a
politician who has few genuine
convictions, big ideas or issues that can carry
the people of
Scotland .
Sectarianism has consequently become a safe
moralising issue (after all, who
argues FOR sectarianism?) which feeds into the
trend to ban, regulate and
control more and more areas of everyday
life.
Unfortunately, one of the worst possible outcomes
of the proposed Football
Bill is that it will actually create a new breed
of thin skinned chronically
offended football fan; a new ‘sectarian’ divide of
fans who trawl fanzines
and monitor the terraces to find opposing fans who
they can report to the
police.
A recent opinion poll suggests the Scottish public
are against sectarianism
and rightly so. It does not however explain what
people understand by
‘sectarian behaviour’ nor does it suggest that
most Scots think fans should
be locked up for five years for being offensive at
football games. On the
other hand, if the poll is to be believed, the
‘fact’ that, ‘85% of Scots
believe that sectarianism should be a criminal
offensive’ is not something
that Roseanna Cunningham should be excited about,
as she appears to be, for
this would reflect a profound loss of tolerance
within
Scotland – a nation
once built upon the Enlightened and Liberal
traditions of John Locke and
John Stuart Mill.
Making ideas or thoughts into crimes is the height
of intolerance and the
hallmark of a profoundly authoritarian
regime.
As it happens, with much that is associated with
the issue of sectarianism,
one suspects that this survey obscures more than
it reveals about a topic
that has become a moralising football for the
various conservative forces in
Scotland . More interesting than the
dubious figures in the survey is the way
in which Cunningham appears to be unaware of the
anti-democratic, illiberal
and authoritarian consequences of arguing that
certain thoughts or ideas
should be illegal.
Ideas we disagree with cannot be policed out of
existence. But let’s get
real and recognise that for the vast majority of
fans, even Celtic and
Rangers fans, their shouts, screams, songs and
insults are not part of an
impending sectarian pogrom, but part of the
pantomime that is FOOTBALL.
The Offensive Behaviour Bill should be kicked into
touch.
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